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Kowal2701 (talk) 12:24, 24 July 2026 (UTC)Reply Request for translation: Education Newsletter July 2026 [edit]Latest comment: 17 days ago1 comment1 person in discussion The July 2026 education newsletter has been released for translation. Please help our readers to read education newsletter in their native language. The latest education newsletter is ready for translation: here Newsletter headlines link for translation: here, to read individual articles check out: Category:Education/Newsletter/July 2026. Your support in making this newsletter multilingual means a lot. Thanks for helping share knowledge across borders! Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 19:48, 30 July 2026 (UTC)Reply Test consumers [edit]Latest comment: 1 day ago5 comments2 people in discussion Hi, I made some Oauth test consumers and they were approved right away but i made 3 consumers also test since and they are still waiting to be aprroved. I made them because i cant change their rights or i dont know you can change them. Why is that? Malyzolwikson (talk) 07:37, 15 August 2026 (UTC)Reply @Malyzolwikson owner-only consumers use a different process than public consumers. Please do not make nonsense applications, example Description: mmm. — xaosflux Talk 18:12, 15 August 2026 (UTC)Reply Do you need these multiple public consumers? I rejected the 2 with nonsense descriptions. — xaosflux Talk 18:24, 15 August 2026 (UTC)Reply Not right now i use the owner only but soon i will probably use this one Malyzolwikson (talk) 20:15, 15 August 2026 (UTC)Reply OK, which of these do you NOT need: 4ec623ab7b1756ea90030c1b24386529 , 930e96d340bb839b850def9a2eb7adcf ? — xaosflux Talk 22:37, 15 August 2026 (UTC)Reply Proposal to add a talk page guideline for Meta [edit]Latest comment: 1 hour ago8 comments7 people in discussion Hello, currently Meta does not have a talk page guideline or policy listed under Meta:Policies and guidelines. Reason for this proposal: a UCoC case (which should not be litigated in this Babel discussion) leads me to believe that Meta should have such a policy or guideline at least for user talk pages, so that informal consensus or unwritten norms are not used as a basis for enforcement actions related to user talk page conduct on Meta. A written policy or guideline may be used by everyone to understand the expectations on Meta for talk page activities, and also by administrators and others as a point of reference for possible enforcement actions related to talk page conduct. Administrators or others who may be hesitant to intervene in a problematic situation on talk pages hopefully will become less hesitant if they can refer to this policy or guideline page as a point of reference. en:Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines is much longer than I hope that the Meta policy or guideline will be. I have not yet drafted a page but I would like to get feedback regarding elements to include. Suggested elements of the Meta page: The purpose of Meta General civility expectations The general purpose and format of talk pages Recommended practices on talk pages, such as the use of a talk page header, ping, and subscribing to discussions. Generally prohibited activities on talk pages, such as misusing another person's signature to misrepresent who made a statement, or removing a warning. See en:Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines for more. Similarities and differences between general talk pages and user talk pages. User talk pages are not "owned". How to use talk pages in specific use cases When recruiting for new participants for an activity such as Wiki Loves Monuments, joining an affiliate, or voting in steward elections. When contacting people who may be interested and eligible for an activity (same examples as above) and have participated in it previously but did not sign up for a newsletter or for another round of participation. When contacting people who may be interested and eligible for for an activity (same examples as above), but did not sign up for a newsletter or for a round of participation and have not participated in it within the past few years. When petitioning for people who have signed up for official roles to take certain actions, such as a request to engage in a discussion or to take a specific action. When advocating for or against candidates for a role or an award. This is typically prohibited as "canvassing". When contacting someone on their user talk page related to a discussion that is already happening on a more centralized location such as a project talk page, to discuss a specific point related to them or related to their comments in that more centralized location. Escalation pathway for conduct concerns, starting with a courtesy notice and then escalating to a formal warning, and finally to administrator involvement. Remember that some users on Meta may act on talk pages in ways that are consistent with norms on other wikis but need to be informed of Meta norms. What do others think about having the above as a starting framework for a draft? @Ajraddatz: please see the above proposal. ༄ᨒ𖠰 Pine (✉) 19:49, 16 August 2026 (UTC)Reply Has this ever been a problem before this U4C case? Levivich (talk) 19:51, 16 August 2026 (UTC)Reply Thank you for getting the policy conversation going. Glad that something good will come from all of this. ~2026-43134-44 (talk) 03:45, 17 August 2026 (UTC)Reply I don't think we need specific or prescriptive guidance for talk page use. This generally isn't an issue, and the problem in the recent case was the semi-disruptive nature of the messages due to both their tone and the fact that they were individually sent to each board member, inviting discussion in seven places over the same issue. Looking at Meta:NOT, maybe the answer is to add a bit to point 7 specifying that discussions should usually be contained to one place to avoid fragmentation. The civility part is already captured under Meta:Civility and point 10 of Meta:NOT. While that would still leave wiggle room that some might not like, I think that in the future admins should/will be more careful in how they word their messages and the general guidance should be enough. – Ajraddatz (talk) 04:12, 17 August 2026 (UTC)Reply Any blockable offense that is not obvious (such as posting to multiple talk pages) should definitely be put into writing. Clarifying cultural norms and preferred practices would be super helpful. ~2026-43134-44 (talk) 04:48, 17 August 2026 (UTC)Reply I agree with @Ajraddatz. If we continuously had disagreements regarding proper talk page use and administrative actions in that area a new rule page might be warranted but I don't know of any other case in recent history. Count Count (talk) 07:34, 17 August 2026 (UTC)Reply This, needing a book of rules about one namespace seems like overkill. — xaosflux Talk 09:32, 17 August 2026 (UTC)Reply Much more useful would be a short page for admins: Don't block based on unwritten rules Don't block or threaten to block based on written rules without first friendly informing the editor that they should do something different (this doesn't apply to clear vandalism and the like, but for possibly good faith attempts at editing) Don't treat people and their opinions differently based on whether they are a Meta admin, a Meta regular, a non-meta regular, or a newbie If followed, this would likely have avoided all of this. Fram (talk) 08:35, 17 August 2026 (UTC)Reply Retrieved from "https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta:Babel&oldid=30930327" Categories: Communication Multilingualism Meta-Wiki organisation This page was last edited on 17 August 2026, at 09:32. 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